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Freedom of speech?

by The Rebel in

attending my boys parents evening it was mentiond they were to study the " diary of anne frank".

( he is 10 years old) i pointed out to the teacher that having read the book, in my option the book was not written entirely by anne frank, and i would educate my boy on why i believe this to be so.. in my mind this was a totally reasonable responce by me, but it has resulted in the head-master of the school wanting to meet with me.

i think it wrong that an educational system will i suspect meet with me and presumably suggest my options on the " anne frank diary" constitute hate speech, as nothing could be further from the truth.. freedom of speech is never absolute, but at what point do you think it reasonable and justified?

The Rebel

Cofty please clarify my errors about the diary. I also disdain my comments being associated with David Irving.

Cofty, Rather than ban speech we disagree with, we should educate ourselves. Let me therefore publically ask you, would you and your family have hidden in " the secret annex" whilst a noisy 1940s vacuume cleaner was being used each morning, and whilst wood was being chopped with an axe, and smoke coming from the chimney of your hiding place? I certainly wouldn't, and all this in the first few pages of a diary, that began stating the need to remain silent.

I think many people can comment on the " Diary" but the evidence should be based on having read it. Have you read the " diary" Cofty? That is where the evidence is not Davd Irwing.

The Rebel.

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Freedom of speech?

by The Rebel in

attending my boys parents evening it was mentiond they were to study the " diary of anne frank".

( he is 10 years old) i pointed out to the teacher that having read the book, in my option the book was not written entirely by anne frank, and i would educate my boy on why i believe this to be so.. in my mind this was a totally reasonable responce by me, but it has resulted in the head-master of the school wanting to meet with me.

i think it wrong that an educational system will i suspect meet with me and presumably suggest my options on the " anne frank diary" constitute hate speech, as nothing could be further from the truth.. freedom of speech is never absolute, but at what point do you think it reasonable and justified?

The Rebel

Giordano thanks for your post.

In my opinion we can do a brief search on the Internet about the diary and come up with evidence either way. I think the challenge is to read the book with critical thinking skills and come to our own conclusion. I say this because none of your points in defense of the diary would I challenge, but I do challenge the diary based on Annes comments, about the need to be so silent, that they couldn't even cough at night, and yet they have constant noisy quarrels, use daily a noisy vacuuming cleaner, chop wood and have smoke come out the chimney at night. This and many other points make me using my independent thinking question how much of the diary was written by Anne Frank.

Anyway under copywriter law " The Diary of Anne Frank" should have became under the public domain in January 2016. Oh I say should, it's now considered that Otto Frank is an editor. Well that makes a bizarre argument, surely editing a book,especially a personal diary, shouldn't effect the authorship. Not unless it was co-written in my opinion.

The Rebel.

p.s Simon I apologise for my atrousious spelling and thanks for bringing the matter to my attention.

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Freedom of speech?

by The Rebel in

attending my boys parents evening it was mentiond they were to study the " diary of anne frank".

( he is 10 years old) i pointed out to the teacher that having read the book, in my option the book was not written entirely by anne frank, and i would educate my boy on why i believe this to be so.. in my mind this was a totally reasonable responce by me, but it has resulted in the head-master of the school wanting to meet with me.

i think it wrong that an educational system will i suspect meet with me and presumably suggest my options on the " anne frank diary" constitute hate speech, as nothing could be further from the truth.. freedom of speech is never absolute, but at what point do you think it reasonable and justified?

The Rebel

Diognisister, " in my opinion the only thing wrong with that is every NATIION is as guilty for standing by and letting them DO it"

The Rebel :- I would answer, to a lesser degree you are right, but some countries like Canada even allow the government to pass laws that limit free expression, so long as the limits are "reasonable and justified" to the Canadian government. Sadly those fine lines could in Canada be miss construed, because I believe saying the " diary of Anne Frank" was a hoax, is not hate speech, whilst they believe that makes me anti-Semitic.

How do we define free speech?

The Rebel.

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Freedom of speech?

by The Rebel in

attending my boys parents evening it was mentiond they were to study the " diary of anne frank".

( he is 10 years old) i pointed out to the teacher that having read the book, in my option the book was not written entirely by anne frank, and i would educate my boy on why i believe this to be so.. in my mind this was a totally reasonable responce by me, but it has resulted in the head-master of the school wanting to meet with me.

i think it wrong that an educational system will i suspect meet with me and presumably suggest my options on the " anne frank diary" constitute hate speech, as nothing could be further from the truth.. freedom of speech is never absolute, but at what point do you think it reasonable and justified?

The Rebel

Thanks for the reply " Ben".

Personally to me, it's ridiculouse that the story is anything than made up. In the first entries we are told of the need to make no noice, yet daily they are using a vacuum cleaner at 11.30 in the morning,and they are chopping wood with an axe to make chimney smoke, at night, it's just ridiculouse.

But the bigger issue I believe is that it's a properganda book, designed to make money on an an innocent girl. To do that they created in that diary an innocent first first love Anne & Peter, victims of a black and white world. It's total properganda and the message of hatred to the German nation I believe abhorrent.

Sadly I believe if it wasn't for this diary, the 100s of genuine diaries written by girls in hiding may be read. Those stories are the true history of those terrible times, and they show a truer history of humanity.

This is why words should never be banned, and opinions allowed to be spoken. If you ban words you ban " Freedom of speech". However words should be exposed, held up to the light and questioned. But never banned.

The Rebel.

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Freedom of speech?

by The Rebel in

attending my boys parents evening it was mentiond they were to study the " diary of anne frank".

( he is 10 years old) i pointed out to the teacher that having read the book, in my option the book was not written entirely by anne frank, and i would educate my boy on why i believe this to be so.. in my mind this was a totally reasonable responce by me, but it has resulted in the head-master of the school wanting to meet with me.

i think it wrong that an educational system will i suspect meet with me and presumably suggest my options on the " anne frank diary" constitute hate speech, as nothing could be further from the truth.. freedom of speech is never absolute, but at what point do you think it reasonable and justified?

The Rebel

Attending my boys parents evening it was mentiond they were to study the " diary of Anne Frank". ( He is 10 years old) I pointed out to the teacher that having read the book, in my option the book was not written entirely by Anne Frank, and I would educate my boy on why I believe this to be so.

In my mind this was a totally reasonable responce by me, but it has resulted in the head-master of the school wanting to meet with me. I think it wrong that an educational system will I suspect meet with me and presumably suggest my options on the " Anne Frank diary" constitute hate speech, as nothing could be further from the truth.

Freedom of speech is never absolute, but at what point do you think it reasonable and justified?

The Rebel.

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Who is your " I am" that your voice should be heard?

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

i was recently thinking before i became " mike" i was an innocent baby, then as the days passed slowly by, i developed a sence of " iam".

as the days moved forward my body, slowly developed a a "sex organ" whilst my mind took on a sence of " emotional" and " intellectual" i am" .

this allowed me to become my current " i am?.

The Rebel

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Beyond the Kingdom Hall.

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

the religoios lessons themselfs are not missed, they were actually quite dull, and i realize i learnt nothing of value from them.

instead a quite evening at home playing with my boy is more endearing.. yes my life has moved on, i occassionaly see members of my former congregation in shopping centers, or they are putting the kids in to the back of the car and inside i believe most of them have bottled it, they prefer the comfort to the " truth" who am i to expose the can of worms.. many of course can blame parents or grandparents for having grown up as outcasts in school and i hope if they do leave like me they hold no resentment.

indoctrination is a terrible thing, and even false prophecy, royal commissions, and proof that many of the elders in the congregation are complete and utter shits won't change them.

The Rebel

Well I stared the O.P, so I should comment on the thread. As the image seems to have generated more interest than my words, I would like to say what that image represents to me:-

All right to the individual, freedom and justice to the special one, quality not quantity. And yes the individual not only has the right to a life outside the watchtower ,the individual has the right to a better life. The world outside my be lonely but it's the individuals new world which has taken courage and intelligence to enter. Most important of all laughter can and should be found as the days roll on.

The Rebel.

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Who is your " I am" that your voice should be heard?

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

i was recently thinking before i became " mike" i was an innocent baby, then as the days passed slowly by, i developed a sence of " iam".

as the days moved forward my body, slowly developed a a "sex organ" whilst my mind took on a sence of " emotional" and " intellectual" i am" .

this allowed me to become my current " i am?.

The Rebel

I really do appreciate all of the replies. Thank you.

Millie210, if I may make an assumption, I think the little intimate secrets members share on the forum are proof that many of us are developing as individuals very nicely, in our journey outside of Watchtower indoctrination.

The Rebel.

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God's Word and Modern Man

by TheLiberator in

i have drawn the conclusion that when god speaks, he is using the language and the concepts of the time.

he is not revealing a new scientific understanding when he speaks.

that would be distracting from the point being made.

The Rebel

In my opinion God has had great difficult in expressing even the simplest sentences. This is only my opinion, but it is why I think it absurd we need an entire bible to share what should be a common message of love.

Is the bible a common message of love?

In my opinion if the bible is the words of God it's a disgrace to a higher intelligence, in fact much of it I find dark and brutal. In fact I once did try to base my life on the bible or the watchtower interpretation of it, I was a brutal homosexual hating shit. I am glad i have have kissed Gods word in the bible goodnight.

The Rebel.

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JWs in denial, so sad

by Simon in

i had a couple of jw sisters call at my door today.. they started with the bizarre "can we read you a scripture" and read about "death being no more" and asked what i thought of that.. i said it sounded like a mix of disney and dumb.. they then launched into how god was going to put an end to death and wasn't that wonderful?.

i said it would have been more wonderful if he'd not created death in the first place.. they thought man created death by disobeying so i questioned why god couldn't have just forgiven them.

apparently "because he loves us" is supposed to be a satisfactory answer to why he kills us.. i asked how loving it was to kill hundreds of thousands of children in tsunami's, disease and so on.. at this point, they gave up on the 'god is love' and switched to the bible being true no matter what because it was an old book and moses had written the first chapter (says the book).. when i suggested it really wasn't that old and that most of the bible myths were copies of older stories from before it was written they questioned if i studied the bible and theology.. then i told them i was brought up as a jw so knew it was all crap.. now it was game on, they immediately switched to play defence questioning why i'd left (and i think they'd already taken a step back away from "the evil" obviously emanating from me).. not much time to say much before they cut and run so i told them i'd left because i found out it was all based on lies and that the watchtower was corrupt and covered up things like child abuse.. oh no, you're thinking of the catholics one of them said (some disdain in how she said "catholics" as though "we're so much better than them").. "well, i challenge you to do a search for the australian royal commission and you'll see the testimony the watchtower leaders gave and the damning evidence that they covered up abuse and reported none of it to the police.".

The Rebel

I don't know what is more sad the denial or the hatred. By the hatred I mean the wry smile i often note on the Witnesses face at the end of the conversation it's a smile that seems to say. "Watch out buster, Jehover has you marked for destruction at armaggedon"

Yes the saddest thing for me is that so many Witnesses can hate, promote hatred, and think they themselfes are loving people.

The Rebel.